I have no relationship with Trump, Brazil’s President Lula tells BBC

Brazilian President Luiz Inosio Lula da Silva BBC told an exclusive interview that he had “had nothing to do” with US President Donald Trump.

Lula has often criticized Trump, but this is the clearest indication so far that he believes that communication between him and his American counterpart has been broken now.

Although the United States has a commercial surplus with Brazil, Donald Trump imposed a 50 % tariff on Brazilian goods in July, noting the trial on charges of a coup for the former president of Brazil Geor Bolsonaro as a catalyst.

Lula described the definitions as “prominent political” and said that American consumers will face higher prices for Brazilian goods as a result.

The definitions imposed by Trump have set Brazilian exports to the United States, such as coffee and beef, which he said without it would be more expensive: “The American people will pay for the mistakes incurred by President Trump in his relationship with Brazil.”

The two leaders did not speak directly to each other. When he was pushed to the reason not to try to capture the phone or form a relationship, the President Lula said: “I have never tried this call because he never wanted to make a conversation.”

Trump said before, had it not been for him to “contact him at any time.” But had it not been for the Trump administration members “they don’t want to speak.”

He told the BBC that he had discovered the American definitions of the Brazilian newspapers.

In reference to Trump, he said that the American president “did not communicate in a civilized way. He just published it [the tariffs] On his gate – on social media. “

When he was asked how to describe his relationship with his American counterpart, he simply said: “There is no relationship.”

Lula said that his bad relations with the American leader were the exception, as he listed how he built relations with former US presidents and heads of the United Kingdom, the European Union, China, Ukraine, Venezuela and “all countries in the world.”

The Brazilian President attended the celebrations of the annual anniversary of the World War in Russia this year and did not cut ties with President Putin. When he was asked about who had a better relationship – Trump or Putin – he defended his relations with the latter, saying they had formed them when they were heads “in previous times.”

“I have no relationship with Trump because when Trump was elected the first time, I was not president. His relationship with Bolsonaro, not Brazil,” Lula answered.

He also said that if Trump has passed the United Nations General Assembly next week, he will “will give him to him because I am a civilized citizen”, but he added that Trump may be “the President of the United States, [but] It is not the world of the world! “.

BBC called the White House to comment on Lola, but she has not yet received a response at the time of publication.

He also talked about his predecessor, Gear Bolsonaro, who was convicted last week.

A majority of 4-1 judges in the Brazilian Supreme Court found that the former president is guilty of planning a coup after losing in the elections in front of Lula and sentenced him to 27 years in prison.

“They have harmed the country, tried a coup, and drew my death,” Lola BBC told Bolsonaro and its employees.

In reference to the appeals in Polsonaro’s lawyer, Polson’s lawyers said they would live, he said if it had not been hoped that Polsonaro will continue to “provide his defense” but “now he is guilty.”

Trump also criticized because of his “innovation of non -fees” by claiming persecution Polsonaro and he has what the American leader said was a lack of democracy in Brazil.

Lola also told the BBC that if the Capitol riots occurred on January 6 in Brazil instead of the United States, Trump would have been tried.

In a large -scale BBC interview, he also called for the reform of the United Nations.

He criticized the fact that five countries – permanent members of the United Nations Security Council – have the authority of cassation decisions, and he argued that this tends to balance in favor of those who won the Second World War, with the exception of countries that represent billions of people such as Brazil, Germany, India and Japan, as well as African countries.

He said that the result is that the United Nations “did not have the power to resolve conflicts” and that the five permanent members made “unilateral” decisions about going to war.

He defended his ongoing alliances with Russia and China – two states in which unfair elections and human rights violations were documented – with the call to the United Nations “democratic”.

He pressed Brazil’s ongoing purchases of Russian oil while Russia scoops the war in Ukraine, and said that Brazil was one of the first countries to condemn Russia’s occupation of Ukraine and that “Brazil does not finance Russia, and we buy oil from Russia because we need to buy oil just like China, India, the United States or the United States to buy oil.”

He said that if the United Nations is “working”, the war of the Ukraine or the Gaza war – which he described as “not a war” will be “not” genocide. “

The BBC also asked the President Lula for the COP30 climate summit in November, when Brazil hosts world leaders in Amazon Bilim.

At the local level, the Brazilian President faced criticism about his support for oil exploratory drilling near the Amazon escape.

The government oil company in Brazil and other companies bought lumps to explore and await licenses.

The Private Environment Minister, Marina Silva, has strongly opposed the plans and feared some conservation groups that they would risk oil plots in water near the Amazon.

The President insisted that if Brazil was strictly followed by the law in its research, and if there are any oil spills, “Brazil will be responsible and responsible and takes care of any problem.”

He added that he supported a world without fossil fuel, but “this moment has not yet come.”

He replied, “I want to know which country is ready to move energy and is able to abandon fossil fuels.” But the case has proven controversial with left -wing voters.

Lula, 79, said he had not yet decided whether he would run for his re -election in the 2026 presidential elections.

He said that his health and party will determine this – as well as whether this is a political appropriate and whether he had stopped a chance to win.

Lula recently fell in the polls, but she received a boost after Trump imposed a tariff on Brazil.

He concluded by saying that his legacy included reducing hunger, reducing unemployment, and entering the working classes.